The thing about dead money and cap space

So, say you got $50 mil in cap space. You cut a guy that saves you $6 mil in cap space but you incur a $5.8 mil dead money hit. So, $50 mil + $6 mil means now you got $56 mil in cap space. BUT - that $5 mil in dead money means you’ve really a wash in cap space, right?

So - the reality is that the guy you cut has to be replaced, what will that cost you? If you’ve already got a guy that can step in and do at least as well, then it’s not really a problem, yes? You cut someone that presumably wasn’t playing up to his paycheck, and that is obviously no way to run a railroad or a football team.

But if you don’t have a suitable replacement, then you’ve got to sign an FA or draft a college player who is good enough to be a starter. Either way it’s kind of a risky move. I do believe the Lions have to draft an OT this year anyway, Wagner wasn’t getting it done and next year Decker could be gone and so it’s better to replace one of them this year and if necessary the other one in 2021. They might sign a good FA OT, but will that make the Lions that much better? Maybe it’s more a question of heading off a serious future problem before it gets to be more serious than it already is.

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Decent point but you’re off slightly. This is typically what happens (using Wagner as an example, projecting exact $ amounts).

2020 cap hit $11 million
Dead money if released $5 million
Equals $6 million cap savings to replace him with

Therefore, you give up having to pay $11 million but are left with $5million dead money. Savings of $6 million.

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Isn’t that what Wise pointed out Zeeze?
Wise used the actual salary Graham Glasgow was going to receive if he stayed on the team for 2020. (11,800,000.00)

Maybe I just am not seeing what you are trying to say Zeeze. :face_with_monocle:

Dead money is already factored into your cap amount. Therefore 56 million cap space with 5 million of it dead means you had 61 million minus the 5 million. Still an actual net savings of 6 million.

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If you are using Rick Wagner as an example. In 2020, he was due a base salary of $9M and had a signing bonus proration of $2.9M in 2020 and 2021. So if he was cut, you save $9M in cash and the signing bonus proration from 2021 is accelerated into 2020. So $50M +$9M (base salary not having to pay) - $2.9M (signing bonus proration in 2021 accelerated into 2020). Now you have a cap space of $56.1M . . .just as Wise originally calculated.

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Correct. We are all saying the same thing. Except that cutting Wagner was not a wash. The $6million in cap savings is a NET savings and already includes the dead money. Therefore, the $56 million already includes the dead money and is already factored in. Bottom line is that we did save money by cutting Wagner and will have $6million NET dollars more to spend.

$9M cash savings and $6M in cap savings. The signing bonus has already been paid in full in 2017.

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Anyway you put it, the Lions have, I guess, $6m freed up to spend wherever they decide they’ll get more value.
The dead money discussions in another thread are a little overstated
There’s no doubt it’s best to have zero dead money but every team ebbs and flows with dead money
But it’s not the end of the world
It’s all about maximizing the value for the $$$
It becomes a business decision, nothing more

Really the scary part would be if Martha and Rod Wood decided that Quinn and Patricia were a fail and that they would be replacing them. Martha could do so in 2021 leaving them as she did for 2020 to Coach with no extra help
She could cut dead weight in Wagner or theoretically dump players with high dead cap numbers and accelerate the bonuses already paid out in cash into the 2020 cap and replace them with minimum salary type players and pocketing or sitting on the available cap space she has and pocket the cash not spent so long as she keeps up with the 89% minimum of total cap spent for 2017-2020 …This would suck big time for fans but a new regime in 2021 with dead weight gone and bad contracts gone and starting new in 2021 with a new CBA , a new cap threshold and maybe even a ton of Draft picks in 21 & 22…If we trade picks this draft to acquire more in future years and less help in 2020 that could also speak to this being the case and Martha saving money big time in pocket .

Also if a new CBA is not done prior to FA starting in 2020 any FA contract signed will have to be spread out fairly evenly on longer term deals or heavily front loaded this season …The cap hit in 2020 will have to be on par with the future years of the contract , with the future years not being greater than 30% of this years payout , putting those teams with a lot of salary cap available in 2020 in much better circumstances for offering deals than those teams that are pressed close to the cap now in 2020 because they cant push the money ahead to future years .

It’s really huge and genius if teams planned for this , teams that were cheap on spending cap and that have huge roll overs and cap space…take a teams like Tampa, Miami & the Colts with $80 + Mill in cap space and as teams that have not met the minimum spent of 89% in 2017-2020 …
They have to get to the 89% number this year for those 4 years, any of those teams could offer a Tom Brady a 2 or 3 year deal and instead of signing bonus money that would be prorated, they could structure it in a way that uses huge amounts of cap money in 2020 to get in compliance with the 89% rule while locking him up on the cheap… a 3 year deal for Brady at a fully guaranteed $90 Mill …paying him $50 Million in 2020 in Salary and having Brady at a relatively cheap $20 Mill per for his 2021 & 22 seasons while starting fresh with the new CBA in those cheap years. This goes for any available premiere FA this year . It’s a huge advantage

No. If it’s reported as “saves you 6 mil in cap space” and they have 5.8 mil in dead money, then that means they were on the books for 11.8 mil to start.

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